It is fair to say that if the price were the same, almost all would probably prefer to reserve a first or business class seat than a smaller economic seat on its next flight. Of course, for most of us, always Sitting in front on the plane is not in the cards … or wallet.
But to take them to a frequent debate in the TPG halls and Slack channels: how much are you willing to pay for an update if you want to sit in advance? Is there a rate of time or per minute that makes a first class update worth? Or depend on the length of the flight, or maybe even the plane itself?
Naturally, there is no correct answer to what is worth paying for an update of first or business class, but many of us in TPG have our own ideas that we are happy to share in case you help your calculation.
How much are the first first class updates per hour to fly?
We often listen (and we agree) that an update to the first class in a type of regular first -class seat is often “worth” in the neighborhood of $ 50 per hour, more or less.
For example, on an upcoming Chicago flight to Santa Lucía, a TPG employee received an offer of $ 269 per person to update from economics to first class on the 5 1/2 hours flight, in line with that equation of $ 50 per hour.
TPG Clint Henderson He has bought cash updates many times over the years, especially on American Airlines flights from the John F. Kennedy International Airport (JFK) from the San Francisco International Airport (SFO) to visit his family. That flight can be so long and seven hours.
American Airlines frequently offers an update to the executive class for only $ 291. That is only $ 42 per hour on longer trips. Clint said he has risen to that offer at least four times in recent years.
For its most recent purchase offer in the American Airlines application, Clint received an update offer on a flight to Bozeman, Montana, also for $ 291 in each direction. That is not exactly a screaming treatment, since the flight lasts about four hours. It decomposes at about $ 73 per hour, which is well above what most TPG employees are willing to pay. However, Clint decided to waste since he will write about the first -class coach flight for an upcoming story.
Often, the calculation changes for the international executive class: many TPGERS and readers said they could be willing to pay up to $ 100 per hour for that update.
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TPG gathered a spreadsheet with update offers that several employees have received in recent weeks. As you can see in the screenshot below, the costs per minute vary from a minimum of 44 cents per minute to a maximum of $ 9.41 per minute for an United Polaris business class update.
TPG Katie Peopler It is one of our busiest reporters, and received both high and low offers. Particularly interesting was an offer for only $ 51 for a flight of almost two hours from the Toronto Pearson International Airport (Yyz) to the O’Hare International Airport in Chicago (Ord). At the most extreme end, Katie received an update offer for $ 487 for a flight of a flight of just over an hour from the Charlotte Douglas International Airport (CLT) to the Charleston International Airport (CHS): $ 7.73 per minute.
There seems to be no particular rhyme or reason for the price, but we are sure that income management is very conscious and tracking prices carefully.
It is better to spend the cash (or miles) to update on long distance flights
For some of us, the update value equation changes when talking about flying long distance, especially the type in which it is worth sleeping as much flight as possible because it will be the morning when it lands. In these cases, it is not only more comfortable thanks to the improved seat, but it can also be investing in the value of its next day (or two) by increasing the probabilities of a decent dream on the plane.
Recently, a TPGger took the opportunity to spend 20,000 miles of United plus $ 425 per person to improve an upcoming flight from the Dulles International Airport (IAD) to the Roma Fiaumicino airport Leonardo da Vinci (FCO) in United. That is a flight of 8 1/2 hours, so if you value United miles in the same 1.35 cents each as TPG, that would be almost the same as spending $ 695 to update, which exceeds that $ 50 mark in a fair amount, at more than $ 80 per hour.
However, this is a perfect example of the value of a lie seat and the opportunity to sleep a good amount of the Atlantic manner. Landing the next morning in Rome as much as possible to start an Italian adventure can be worth more per hour for update than a regular three -hour domestic leap.
What TPG readers say about updates
TPG readers had many opinions about what they consider just for updates in the TPG Lounge.
Some readers were willing to pay up to $ 100 per hour, depending on the flight. Josh there said: “$ 50 per hour was my standard as 10-15 years ago … inflation … I am $ 100 per hour now, but I will also consider whether it is that case by case.” Lara Cartwright-Smith said that “$ 25/National Hour and $ 50–70/International Hora, depending on the quality of the flight (fallsure, food, flight duration, etc.)” is its rule.
Greg, although he said: “$ 100 per hour is my maximum for an international flight. If I do not update me for free according to my condition, I do not even bother trying to improve national flights. It simply is not worth it.”
Marc Cassuto said he depends on where he is going and if he needs to get to the destination again. “For me, I need to think where I’m going, why I’m going [and] What are my plans when I get there, “he wrote.
Other readers said that it depends on whether the flight is during the night, a transcontinental or a long international flight. “If you are one of those,” said Jesse Albright, “… then $ 100-500 are good for me for business/First. The majority of those I have paid is $ 500 for a night flight to London in UA.”
“I look at it for cost per hour,” said Elizabeth Berman Lovell, “too, the calculation differs when traveling only for business instead of traveling with my family, since the analysis of cost benefits per hour for a party of several people makes it more difficult to strengthen an update cost unless it is a supervisor.”
“So many factors enter my decision,” said Jennifer Steckloff Yellin. “For a diurnal domestic flight, I will not pay anything. For a flight through the night through the country where it will guarantee a better night dream, I will probably pay $ 100 but not much more, I can usually sleep anywhere.”
Maryann Eda Miller said that he generally takes 10 to 12 international flights a year. “Go, I want to be as rested as possible, so I will pay up to $ 1,000 for the lay seats. When you return home, I will keep in comfort+ or premium (Delta and Virgin Atlantic) because I can recover at home, even if you have been overcome the time gap for a couple of days. If you make an offer of $ 400 to $ 500 that I come home, I could take it depending on how the Hectical trip has been.” “
“I think that Trans-Ocean night flights are worth up to $ 1,000 if the flight is non-stop and has seats with 1990s, said Stacy Antoniadis.
Jamie Larounis agreed, saying: “I would be happy to make $ 1k, but it depends on the flight.
Finally, Amanda Buchan did not agree with our formula completely. “I never understood why people base this on a standard per hour instead of how much money they earn. These amounts of money will be so different for different people. I think something like two days of salary before taxes makes sense for a long -term seat.”
Not all improved seats are created the same
As our readers point out with such eloquence, not all improved seats are the same. Is the seat flat? That is the first thing we think when we reflect on an update offer.
Obviously, if it is a night flight in a lie seat at a decent price, it becomes much more attractive. But also think about the type of commercial seat you will get. Is it an older reclining style seat? Are the seats in front together? Is it worth really paying additional inches of leg space?
Some first -class cabins are very narrow with little recline. Maybe those are not worth it. Or perhaps it is an executive class section on a European carrier that is composed of intermediate seats blocked in rows of regular economic seats.
Many decisions.
Cash updates vs. points
Many airlines actually offer ways to update with points. Delta Air Lines is the first one that comes to mind; You can often find offers for points or updates in cash in the Fly Delta application. Sometimes it can be worth it, but it will rarely get more than one penny by value. That can make sense, but in reality it is not obtaining a unique value in that way.
Here is a recent offer on a flight of Delta Air Lines from the New York Laguardia (LGA) airport to Miami International Airport (MIA) that is too expensive with cash or miles. As you can see, it is getting a little more than 1 cent per mile in value to use 72,900 Skymiles Delta to update.
Sometimes it may make more sense to update using a combination of cash and points or miles. American Airlines offers very reasonable cash and miles; For example, an international executive class update will cost $ 350 and only 25,000 miles from American Airlines Aadvantage. That can be a true bargain.
Finally, some airlines will allow you to update only miles. Clint has been able to update the executive class on Air France from a premium economy using only 30,000 blue Air France-KLM (and without taxes and rates). Consult your airline to see if that is an option for you.
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Of course, all are different, and several factors determine the “value” of a first class or business class update. Even so, we believe that a fair value for the updates purchased is around $ 50 per hour for national flights, and up to $ 100 per hour for the international executive class.
Hopefully, you will see offers well below those prices and fly in the “pointed end of the plane.”
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